New study says male infidelity is 'inevitable'

Research is unnecessary for known facts.

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Research is always necessary to confirm that circumstances have not altered previously determined data points. :-)

Women cheat as much, if not more, than men, according to this.

I blame the bi-sexual gay men that passed it on to the females and of course gay blood donations...

When exactly is Gay Blood Day at the Red Cross and how does one discern bisexual gays from bisexuals and gays? Are they twice as queer as your garden variety homosexual?

Obleo, I believe it's an exponential thing, so they'd actually be 4 times gayer, if I'm doing the gay math right. They're easy to spot though -- just look for the ones driving their pink VW convertibles to Gay Blood Donation day.

They have to have Gay Blood Donation day because a single drop of gay blood, bisexual blood or, worst of all, gay bisexual blood can instantly turn the manliest man into a girly man.

Just thought I'd clear that up.

Sorry, I disagree. It is a physical impossibility for a female to spread HIV at the same rate of effectiveness as a man. Furthermore, circumcision, or lack thereof, has very little to do with rates of HIV infection. HIV is spread solely through the transmission of bodily fluids (which tend to have some access to blood). Foreskins don't enter into the equation. Although some female to male transmission of fluid is technically possible, it is primarily males that transmit fluid to females.

There is a real link between HIV and circumcision, circumcised males are less likely to contract HIV. It is not however a preventative simply a lower risk.

Foreskin may permit HIV entry, infection

Circumcision 'reduces HIV risk'

It is not a physical impossibility because blood is the best carrier and present in both genders in equal amounts. However it's less likely because open wounds with blood transmissions aren't as common as non-injured sexual encounters and semen can carry HIV easier than vaginal fluids.

HIV Infogram: Update on Sexual Transmission of HIV

The risk of female to male transmission is less than male to female but it's not simply technically possible, it's certainly possible and occurs.

A program to control HIV cannot concentrate on one gender and be successful, trying to blame one or the other is counter productive.

"A program to control HIV cannot concentrate on one gender and be successful, trying to blame one or the other is counter productive."

You're correct. I apologize if it appears I am blaming a single gender. Female to male transmission does occur and I should have been more careful regarding my apparent minimization of the risk.

Odd that someone that claims to despise gender stereotypes like this would attack the people that are consistently fighting against them. It would be nice if people actually learned a thing or two about feminism before launching an attack on it. But hey, the patriarchy is laughing all the way to the bank. If you are busy slapping down strawfeminists, then that will manage to prevent both you and I from actually getting anything done on the issue, won't it?

There is nothing even remotely feminist about this study, on what basis do you make that claim? First, it enforces the idea that men are pigs and dogs merely because of their gender. Feminists fight against this claim, not only because we know a thing or two about the BS that is gender stereotyping, but also because it often leads to victim-blaming in cases of sexual assault (it is the woman's fault she was raped because she should have known better than to trust men and tempt them). It also enforces the idea that men crave sex more than women do, to the point of using infidelity to obtain it. This is also something feminists would attack, being that it paves the way to reinforce that double standard we all know and love so much, labeling women that do have healthy sexual appetites as whores and harlots. It also reinforces the idea that men are afraid of commitment and women desire it, being that men are the ones cheating more (which I believe was debunked quite a while back, women tend to cheat as much as men do, but don't talk about it). Which leads us to raise up the single man as the fun loving batchlor yet fear and despise the single woman because there must be something wrong with her if she doesn't base her life around a man....

I could go on and on with this. It's not a feminist argument, let alone a feminist sponsored study. If you want to find the man-haters, you can usually find them lurking in the anti-feminist camp. So it's kind f odd that you've set up shop there, since these bunk studies piss you off so much. And no, just because your brother's friend's wife says it or it was on Sex and the City once does not mean it's a feminist statement.

When you find a study that claims "all women do this" or "all men do this", it's usually junk science. There are so many things wrong with the methodology of this study that I don't know where to begin - I don't think the information the researcher is using in any way allows her to make the claims their article claims the study makes. Self-report, culture, no mention of past history... I'd have to see the actual study to evaluate it more carefully, but I can tell there's something screwy right off the bat here.

Oh, but that's right, I'm a feminist, so I must support this tripe. Grrr. Men. Grrr.

My eyes hurt from all the rolling.

Except men have been proven through this study to be, on the whole, more immoral, parent poster. Your argument is null and void.

No, they have not. Just because someone slaps the word "study" on something does not mean it is without flaw. And the evidence for the conclusion that you are claiming this study proves is simply not there.

The article itself already gives possible reasons for this, it specifically states that labor migration has an effect in both of the countries in which the study was concluded. The article also states that the women in Mexico have a devotion to fidelity - something that could have a large effect on self-report, if they looked into women's infidelity at all, which it appears they did not. They also only examined two cultures, and only have two more planned. That is hardly representative of the global male population.

The thing that we can actually draw from this study is that marriage does not protect one from STDs. The idea that men are "immoral" is merely you projecting your own biases onto the study.

LOL. You attempt to dissuade people from gender hatred/stereotypes by linking to a female-hater's site.

That's really funny.

Can you give us an example of a society where women ruled men, beat and killed them for not obeying, took away their rights to see a doctor, go to school, go outside, vote, speak out, etc.?

We'll wait.

I advise everyone arguing with Stacy here to stop. You will lose. Badly.

Except men have been proven through this study to be, on the whole, more immoral, parent poster. Your argument is null and void.

... until the next study ...

By "entry strategies" you mean...?

I had to rewrite my article about entry strategies because of her.

LOL. I think Pasi is far better at English than he likes to let on :)

Which reminds me (I don't know why)

Because everything reminds you of penetration strategies??

I contend that women are just as guilty of infidelity as men are, if not more so.

Phaedrus

I agree it takes two for a liaison.

Are you suggesting that the majority of menage-a-trois (sorry please don't report me again for french)
are 2 females and a single male - if so I agree with you.

I am suggesting that in this day and age there are very few fidelous(is that a word?) people period and that women are just as guilty. I, myself, have never cheated on a girlfriend or wife, in my life, although God knows at times, I have wanted to. But I pride myself on the fact that I never did. But I see a lot of trashy women out there with very little to no morals, who will pretty much sleep with anyone that shows them a little attention, whether they be in a relationship, married, whatever, it doesn't matter. I am very happy in my present relationship and I feel that I have finally found a woman that I can trust. That is hard to come by in this age of instant gratification.

And I am sick to death of these articles suggesting that the majority of men are cheaters. This is ridiculous and if I said the majority of blacks are criminals or the majority of women are stupid, everyone would obviously be upset with me. Men AND women are both cheaters in this day and age, men for physical, biological reasons, mostly, (she's hot!) and women for emotional reasons (he showed me attention). But let's not pretend that it is only men that cheat.

fair enough.

Faithful here for 13 happy years and only guilty of bad jokes

to be clear I included the years we lived in Sin

I contend that women are just as guilty of infidelity as men are, if not more so.

How dare you! Women aren't like men, they're not as immoral as men, and that you say otherwise is sexism.
I can't believe I accidentally clicked the vote button instead of reply. Grr.

Women aren't like men, they're not as immoral as men, and that you say otherwise is sexism.

Ha, are you serious? If so, that statement in and of itself is completely ridiculous.

I just noticed that you also posted this:

Except men have been proven through this study to be, on the whole, more immoral, parent poster. Your argument is null and void.

So, I'm guessing you are serious.

SIGH

How dare you! Women aren't like men, they're not as immoral as men, and that you say otherwise is sexism.

So... saying that women are the same and not better than men is... sexism?

Here, let me help you out a little.

sex·ism [sek-siz-uhm] –noun
1.attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles.
2.discrimination or devaluation based on a person's sex,

So, based on this definition who is the sexist?

How dare you! Women aren't like men, they're not as immoral as men, and that you say otherwise is sexism.

Wow. Just Wow.

See my comment here

(Note: in case you missed the hint of sarcasm in my comment, I don't actually believe women are more immoral than men...just that we're on equal ground as far as infidelity goes. PLENTY of women have cheated. In fact, MOST women I know have cheated at least once on a boyfriend.)

Clearly newsviners need to look up the definition of sarcasm... ;)

Right. The areas surveyed for this study did not even include the United States or other highly developed nations. They are looking at areas with more "oldschool" social values and evaluating the impact of those systems on AIDS.

Granted, the headline is very misleading, and opens the door to arguing the headline, rather than the content.

Agreed. And I think it wouldn't be much of a stretch to say that the HIV prevention issue is much more important than bickering about who cheats more.

The report entire, and perhaps the study though I only see this one report on it, is misleading and seemingly on purpose. The conclusion is that married women need to use condoms to protect against HIV even in monogamous sex with their husbands.

The reporting doesn't show the risk against a control group, simply that the report found infidelity in cross-cultural groups. The result is hardly surprising, I expect there is infidelity across all cultures and both genders. The misleading part is saying that the rate of infidelity is 100% in men, which is dubious. The wording leaves wiggle room though to say they meant that there was infidelity in all studied groups instead of all members in all groups.

However I think it boils down to trust. Trust is an ineffective means to prevent many things and yet is essential in daily life. When I drive through a green traffic light, only trust prevents me from dying to somebody who might run their red light and hit me. The light and my trust are both ineffective prevention measures to traffic accidents. However the rules are set, most follow them and most of the time I don't get hurt by going through green lights. A more interesting study would be to show the actual rates of infection amongst married women than a study showing some men engage in extramarital sex.

There is an aspect to the study that is sociological polemic, but most science is that way. Data matches the agenda, etc.

Hirsch argues that men in these other cultures will have extramarital sex no matter what - which is awfully patronizing - so more condoms are needed in the primarily Catholic countries they included.

I don't think you can make a blanket statement one way or the other, given that there are a gazillion cases in which two people are faithful to each other their entire lives.

Very true, my paternal grandparents were married for 76(!) years.

Wow! How old were they when they got married?

She was 20, he was 22. My grandfather just turned 90, sadly, grandma died 2 years ago.

I am dying my hair even as I type this (hair being singular in my case)

Feel free to cite this definitive treatise on the subject.

- transmitted from my palatial estate on Attention Whore Island.

Attention Whore Island? Is that near Temptation Island?

Blondes have more strands of hair and redheads have more sex.

I don't know that even if it were truly inevitable, that we couldn't still (as we tend to) decide that it's wrong. There's plenty of things we might have an urge to do that we've determined are wrong.

The whole reason these people are attempting to prove the inevitability of every sin under the sun, is because if it is inevitable, then it can't be wrong. If it's proven to be biological, then how can it be wrong? That's been the crux of the issue since the 60's. They want to prove that we are all just animals and that we have no control over ourselves and shouldnt have control over ourselves and therefore there is no more such thing as right and wrong.